without oprah in a sense, maybe obama would never have gotten to that position as president. so, he kind of didn't need to say so. and women felt hold out on behalf of hillary, that she had been an empowerment figure for women, that it was a little harsh to abandon hillary that way. >> tina, before we put oprah on televised mt. rushmore, she did occasionally make mistakes. she had an author named james frey, whose book turd out to have exaggerations and fabrications. but she apologized that on a subsequent show. that's the key. she has a trust, an intimate connection with the audience, because she talks about her own mistakesas well as providing a sympathetic platform for people, famous and not so famous, to talk objeabout theirs. >> how does tv fill the void? >> i don't know. ellen degeneres is doing well. katie couric's contract with cbs is up in 2011. dr. oz, in syndication, as well. when you have a figure like this who is so important, beyond just rates. she's got a magazine. she's an industry, as diane noted earlier, i don't think it's just so easy for a talented, glib p